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Sunday, April 09, 2006

Mars: JPL provides images showing sides of structures

It's possible to view the sides of structures on Mars.

It's interesting to compare these images to what we can see on the far side of the moon: If there are craters and structures on Mars, might there be the same things on the Moon?

We'd have to consider -- the possibility -- that something natural could ahve created the patterns. I doubt it

This is a follow-up to the initial analysis: [ Click ]

One of the questions we asked was whether there would be angle-images of the sides of structures, as opposed to simple over head shots . This answers that question: Sideways. Notice the geometry in all the craters. Take a look at the far left one.

So, if there are wall drawings, we will be able to explore those, maybe looking likes this: Click with some zoom options like this [ Click ]

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This image is another version of the mountains 100KM west of Ruza. We're seeing the same types of geometry already discussed here: [ Click ]

Notice in this image there is a circular pattern in the top-center crater.

You can also see the similar geometry in these craters.

This image has far rockier terrain.

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For detailed observations and comments on the Mars images, and likely travel routes of inhabitants, go here: [ Click ]

Here is the complete set: Click

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Wish list: Would be nice if there were coordinates of these images, that way they could be loaded to Google Mars Maps.

Look at the URL in this link: click -- you'll see that if we had the coordinates of the JPL images, we could quickly find where the images were located on Mars.

As it stands, it can take some time. Spent two days on the first test image here: [ Click ]

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Something is not right with the JPL image coordinates.

We're given: this image, and told
Image AEB_000001_0000_Red was taken by HiRISE on March 24, 2006. The image is centered at 33.65 degrees south latitude, 305.07 degrees east longitude.

Small problem: When you put those coordinates in the Google Maps, nothing works.

Also, we have verified that the actual coordinates -- in Google Map Coordinates -- is just west of Ruza -- as shown here.

We did a point-by-point comparison between the JPL images, and the Google Maps, can share the results here: [ Click ]

  • A. The coordinates JPL gave us are not consistent with the images

  • B. The images are consistent with different coordinates

  • C. The surface features on Mars are consistent with features located at different coordinates than JPL is providing

    To convert the JPL coordinates -- to the Google Maps, you have to subtract their numbers from 360 like this click, then enter that result into the final coordinate: [ To find the image, Click twice to the left ]

    It would be nice if there was an auto-link between the JPL coordinates and Google Mars Images, if there are many images, perhaps the interface could be with XML.

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    Here are some other comments: [ Click ] look for the following [ Update -- 4/6/06 ]

    Notice this image: [ click ] in how it compares with these ruins and also here

    Here's the index they're using for the comparison: [ Click ]

    Look at the 1:30 position in this image, the upper right -- notice the cluster in the crater -- it is square -- [ click ] -- compare it to something like this here -- or to the square shapes on the left side of the circled areas [ click ] or this cluster here or something like this [ click ]

    Also, what if the pattern in the rock was actually a series of patterns, like [ click ]

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    Let's consider another feature in the photograph. The central mound.

    They've already pointed out the straight lines on the upper north-east side of the mound, suggesting some sort of structure on top of the mound [ click ]

    The issue is what might this original structure have looked like -- sitting on that mound -- consider this [ click ] or [ click ] or a side view. Perhaps it was a fortification as here click
    Perhaps a side view might reveal other things closer to the mound like [ click ]

    It will be interesting to notice -- as more details emerge -- whether there are visible trails in and around the mound as click -- if we assume that this was some sort of structure, there would have to be a way to approach, enter, and exit the facility.

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    With the sideways photography possible -- as demonstrated here -- it will be interesting to see if there are things on the side of the cliffs [ on the side of this central mound click ] such as this.

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    As an aside, I looked at an old blogspot about Mars. It was one of my first, just a link and no commentary, analysis, or discussion. The link goes to a site showing the detail on Mars.

    After the time I've spent on these two blog spots -- with Google Maps and JPL images -- it was a nice feeling to be familiar with the details and images in that Mars Image.

    Over the last two years for me Mars has changed. It isn't simply a glob or an image. It's quite a fascinating place with a real history, and likely intelligent life and archaeology.

    Within a few short years people from Earth will visit to see what's changed since someone was last there.

    Here are the other Mars Related Blogs

    I'll eventually transfer these to a new Mars Archive, still thinking about what I want to do with it.

    Constant's Theories

    Martian Aquifers and falling water tables [Click ]

    Life: Will the reluctant NASA embrace evolution on Mars?

    Structures [ Click ]

    Life: Images [ Click ]

    Oceans [Click ]

    Water: Chemical ratios [ Click ]


    What were the travel routes on the surface of Mars? [ Click ]

    Were there underground tunnels? [ Click ]

    What is the face on Mars made of? [ Click ]

    Are there hieroglyphics on Mars? [ Click ]

    Is there another way to get Mars rocks? Click


    Images: Early thoughts about another planet. [ Click ]